نریان یا سیلمی

جاماسپ

New member
سلام دوستان عزیز. سوال من بدون هیچگونه جهت گیری مطرح میشه. مالکین خیلی از این اسب ها دوستان صمیمی من هستند.
ولی یه سوال: ما قراره به چه اسب خالصی سیلمی بگیم؟
دلیل بودن این نریان ها در لیست سیلمی ها چیه؟
قیام شهرکرد،هخامنش دزفول،شهداد میر یزد،شبح،رعدسزار،دل دل حسنی،خالد خان،جساس،ذوالجناح و..................
لطفاًدلایل منطقی و بدور از احساس باشه.
 

sohrab

Active member
نه دوست عزیز. حتی خیلی از سیلمی های ما نباید سیلمی باشند!

اینجا "سیلمی" معادل "نریان" است

همونطور که توی stud book نریان ها با Stallion مشخص شده اند.این لفظ فقط جنسیت را مشخص میکند
 

سنا

Active member
اصلا اينطوري نيست
همه ي نريان هاي خالص ايراني سيلمي ناميده ميشن اما اون سيلمي كه منظور شماست و واسه كشش استفاده ميشه رو نميشه به هر اسبي نسبت داد
يه سيلمي موفق توليدات موفق و متناسب با هدف فارم داره و اينطور نيست كه هر نرياني كه نام خالص رو يدك ميكشن سيلمي خوبي باشن
هميشه همه ي فاكتورهاي خوب تو همه ي اسب ها كه جمع نميشه
 

vatan

Member
اصلا اينطوري نيست
همه ي نريان هاي خالص ايراني سيلمي ناميده ميشن اما اون سيلمي كه منظور شماست و واسه كشش استفاده ميشه رو نميشه به هر اسبي نسبت داد
يه سيلمي موفق توليدات موفق و متناسب با هدف فارم داره و اينطور نيست كه هر نرياني كه نام خالص رو يدك ميكشن سيلمي خوبي باشن
هميشه همه ي فاكتورهاي خوب تو همه ي اسب ها كه جمع نميشه
خواستم فقط یه جواب کلی و کوتاه به این موضوع داده باشم توی کشور ما انتخاب سیلمی سلیقه ای هست و هر اسبداری با توجه به اهداف و علایقی که داره سیلمی مناسب برای مادیونش انتخاب میکنه و خیلی اوقات این انتخاب هم بر اساس آزمون و خطا هست ولی در کشورهایی که دارای برنامه جامع اصلاح نژادی هستند شدت و دقت انتخاب برای انتخاب یک سیلمی خیلی بالا هست به طور مثال از هر 100 کره ای که در سال به دنیا میاد زیر 5 درصد از کره ها به عنوان سیلمی انتخاب میشند و جالب هست که بدونید که اکثر کره ها اخته میشند و تعداد کمی هستند که میتونند از فیلترهای سخت گیرانه موسسات اصلاح نژادی رد شوند .
 

ناشناس

Active member
طبق چه قانونی شما یک نریان را سیلمی stallion مینامید؟

از قانون سیلمی اروپا چیزی میدانید؟


قانون خاصی نداره مثلا داخل اصفهان یک اسب کره دار شده بود از صاحب اسب پرسیدیم کره چیه گفت سیلمی:confused:گفتم منظورت همون نریان هست گفت نه :mad:کره سیلمی شده همین/

خیلی جاهای ایران فکر میکنن هر اسبی که نریان شد .سیلمی هست .
 

جاماسپ

New member
برای من دید باز شما خیلی جالبه

جای خوشحالی که همه ی شما تقریباً هم نظر هستید که هر اسب خالص ایرانی که نباید سیلمی باشه. پس از امیر حسین میخوام که لیست به اصطلاح سیلمی ها رو اصلاح کنن.
دوستان بیاید یه قدم جلو تر بریم. پس خواهش میکنم نظرات تخصصی تری در مورد خصوصیات یه سیلمی خالص ایران بدید.
 

جاماسپ

New member
سهراب جان من با تمام احترام به شما مخالف نظر ی که دادید هستم. بازی با واژه ها خیلی وقت ها نتایج بدی داره.
به یه اسب اخته نریان هم میگن. اما میشه به همین نریان اخته بگیم سیلمی. فقط به صرف اینکه منظور ما از واژه ی سیلمی همان نریان است.
 

♘امیرحسین♞

♘ مدیریت انجمن اسب ایران ♞
جای خوشحالی که همه ی شما تقریباً هم نظر هستید که هر اسب خالص ایرانی که نباید سیلمی باشه. پس از امیر حسین میخوام که لیست به اصطلاح سیلمی ها رو اصلاح کنن.
دوستان بیاید یه قدم جلو تر بریم. پس خواهش میکنم نظرات تخصصی تری در مورد خصوصیات یه سیلمی خالص ایران بدید.
آن لیست را به نریان تغییر نام میدم
روی سیلمی بحث میکنیم که و نریانهان ها را مورد بررسی قرار میدهیم
 

sohrab

Active member
سهراب جان من با تمام احترام به شما مخالف نظر ی که دادید هستم. بازی با واژه ها خیلی وقت ها نتایج بدی داره.
به یه اسب اخته نریان هم میگن. اما میشه به همین نریان اخته بگیم سیلمی. فقط به صرف اینکه منظور ما از واژه ی سیلمی همان نریان است.



شما لطف دارید ولی متوجه منظورم نشدید
من هم نگفتم استفاده از این واژه به جای "نریان" صحیح است.
 

kamyab

Member
کی میشه به یک اسب نر کلمه سلیمی را اطلاق کرد؟چندتا باید کره بده؟کدام مرجع تائید یا رد میکنه؟ در مورد قوانین جهانی در این رابطه(اگه وجود داره) بیشتر توضیح بدید
 

♘امیرحسین♞

♘ مدیریت انجمن اسب ایران ♞
سیلمی در نژاد اولدنبرگ:

Stallion Inspection, Breeding Licensing, and Approval
Guidelines and Rules
Once you have become an active member you can have your stallion inspected for breeding licensing and
approval with the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society if, and only if, the following criteria are met, and the stallion
is taken to an official inspection and presented to the inspection committee for their judgment.
The Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society is a division of the Verband der Zuchter des Oldenburger Pferdes (the
German Oldenburg Verband). As such, we must follow the rules of German Breeding Law and we are now
enforcing these rules.
Stallions must be inspected to be licensed as a breeding stallion between two and five years of age (by calendar
year). The dam and granddam of the stallion must be in the Main Mare Book or be eligible for the Main Mare
Book of the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society or that of a registry acknowledged by the German Oldenburg
Verband and the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society. In addition, the stallion must have a 4-generation pedigree
of licensed and approved stallions as follows: The sire of the stallion and all the sires of the damline going back
three generations must have been licensed and approved by the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society or by an
acknowledged registry (See example diagram below). Please check beforehand to verify that the Oldenburg
Horse Breeders' Society accepts the stallion's registry, as not all European and North American registries qualify
for acknowledgment. We will need to see a copy of the stallion's registration papers before inspection, and must
see his ORIGINAL registration papers at the inspection.

The acknowledged registries are those warmblood horse breeding associations with a full selection system. This
means they have an approval program that requires a performance test (important!) for the stallions that is
generally in line with that of the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society which has a 70 day test, 30 day test plus
performance requirements, or higher performance requirements (details are listed below). For example, most of
the German breeding societies such as the Hanoverian, Westphalian, Holsteiner, etc. fall into this category along
with other European breeding societies such as the Swedish, Danish, and KWPN. Exceptions to this are
Thoroughbreds who are accepted for inspection as a 2 to 5 year old as long as the stallion has the correct
registry papers from the Jockey club, and Arabians who are accepted only in special cases. For Arabians the
owners must file a special request, and be aware that because of the lack of performance tests for the Arabian
stallions, very few of these requests are accepted.
If the registry of the stallion is in question at all then the owner is responsible for checking the approval
standards of the registry and should contact the German or North American office for confirmation that the
registry will be acknowledged.
At their inspection, young stallions must be shown in hand and at liberty in an arena to illustrate their athletic
ability. They will also be required to free jump a series of three jumps. If the stallion is from jumping lines, the
final oxer can be over four feet in height. The stallion will be expected to jump this height easily and confidently,
and in an athletic manner, as well as display three good gaits. Stallions that are from dressage lines are not
always expected to jump higher than four feet unless they show a great deal of aptitude, but the gaits must be
very good, rhythmical and expansive.
Please be aware that if a stallion is not considered by our breeding Director, Dr. Schulze-Schleppinghoff (or his
appointed commission), to be advantageous for the Oldenburg breeding program, we will not license and
approve him (remember that all breed registries have their own unique vision). A stallion that does not fit into the
German Oldenburg Verband breeding program has the possibility of creating havoc within the registry. It is for
this reason that we will endeavor to keep our stallion roster trim. We are highly successful in Germany, and the
reputation of the Oldenburg Verband in North America is extremely important to us.
Stallions between two and five years of age who are inspected and licensed by the Oldenburg inspection
committee must then complete one of the following requirements in order to be fully approved as a breeding
stallion for the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society:
1. Complete the 70 day test with the appropriate qualification scores
2. Complete the 30 day test with the appropriate qualification scores and meet the following performance
requirements: In Dressage the stallion must qualify for the National Young Horse Championships with an
overall score of 8.0 or higher. In Eventing the stallion must as a 5 year old score 75% or higher at two or
more Young Event horse competitions sanctioned by the USEA to participate in the Young Event Horse
Championships, or earn 1st through 5th place at the Young Event Horse Championships. The
requirements for jumpers are currently under review. Please contact the North American office for
clarification or these requirements or check back with this website. As soon as those requirements have
been decided upon they will be published here.
3. Meet the following performance requirements in competition: In Dressage, placing at least five times
1st through 3rd with a minimum score of 64% at 4th level test 3 or higher. In Jumping, placing at least five
times 1st through 3rd at a height of 1.40 meters, or three times in the awarded placings at the height of
1.45 meters or higher. In Eventing, placing at least five times 1st through 3rd at Intermediate level, or
three times in the awarded placings at Advanced level. The performance results listed here must be
achieved at a show that is officially sanctioned by the national riding federation of the respective country.
Schooling show results will not be accepted.
4. Thoroughbred stallions can complete their performance requirements for licensing by having raced in a
flat race with a handicap weight of 80 kilograms, or raced in a steeplechase race with a weight of 85
kilograms.
Stallions that have been licensed by the GOV or the Oldenburg Horse Breeders' Society breeding committee will
be activated for breeding once they have been licensed, but if they have not met the approval requirements by
the end of their 6th year of age (by calendar year) they can no longer breed until they meet the performance
requirements described above, and are then fully approved. Should the stallion not meet the performance
requirements and not become fully approved, the foals that are bred after the stallion was licensed and before
the end of the stallion's 6th year of age will be registered, but any foals bred after that will not be registered. If
there is any question as to the timing and breeding status of a stallion please contact the North American or
German office for verification before you breed your mare.
We will no longer inspect stallions six years of age or older unless they have already been licensed by an
acknowledged breeding registry and completed one of the following requirements:
1. Complete the 70 day test with the appropriate qualification scores
2. Complete the 30 day test with the appropriate qualification scores and meet the following performance
requirements: In Dressage the stallion must qualify for the National Young Horse Championships with an
overall score of 8.0 or higher. In Eventing the stallion must as a 5 year old score 75% or higher at two or
more Young Event horse competitions sanctioned by the USEA to participate in the Young Event Horse
Championships, or earn 1st through 5th place at the Young Event Horse Championships. The
requirements for jumpers are currently under review. Please contact the North American office for
clarification or these requirements or check back with this website. As soon as those requirements have
been decided upon they will be published here.

3. Meet the following performance requirements in competition: In Dressage, placing at least five times
1st through 3rd with a minimum score of 64% at 4th level test 3 or higher (in Germany S level or FEI). In
Jumping, placing at least five times 1st through 3rd at a height of 1.40 meters, or three times in the
awarded placings at the height of 1.45 meters or higher. In Eventing, placing at least five times 1st
through 3rd at Intermediate level, or three times in the awarded placings at Advanced level. The
performance results listed here must be achieved at a show that is officially sanctioned by the national
riding federation of the respective country. Schooling show results will not be accepted.
4. Thoroughbred stallions who have already been approved for breeding by an acknowledged breeding
registry, and who have raced in a flat race with a handicap weight of 80 kilograms, or in a steeplechase
race with a handicap weight of 85 kilograms.
If you are planning to import a stallion from Europe and wish it to stand for German Oldenburg breeding, please
check with the breeding director Dr. Schulze-Schleppinghoff or Vice-Breeding Director Katrin Burger before
assuming that the stallion is qualified to breed in North America. If he is not already licensed and/or approved in
Europe by the Oldenburg Verband, you should attempt to have him licensed before you purchase him. We must
also stress that just because a stallion is licensed and/or approved with another registry does NOT mean that he
will be licensed and/or approved for Oldenburg breeding, so please check with the office before proceeding with
your plans.
If the stallion has not appeared in our official stallion roster, please check with our office to see if the stallion
qualifies for a one-time breeding permit. Be aware that there will be an extra fee assessed to the mare owner at
inspection time for such a permit.
 

ابوذر

Member
باتجه به نظر هاي دوستان واطلاعات موجود زيره هاي به عمل آمده از نريان هاي ما كدومشون لايق كلمه سيلمي هستند؟
 

ashkann.m

Member
این که به نریان میگن سیلمی باعث تاسفه /من موندم اون آقای به اصطلاح اسبدار چطور به یک کره می گه سیلمی این نشان از آگاهی نداشتن است
 
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